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Analyst: With dynamic pricing, Ticketmaster can weather no merger with Live Nation

By Alfred Branch Jr.

Regardless of whether Ticketmaster merges with concert giant Live Nation by the end of the year, Ticketmaster is poised to thrive under its planned dynamic pricing initiative, according to an analyst with investment bank Thomas Weisel Partners.

Both Irving Azoff and Michael Rapino, the CEOs of Ticketmaster and Live Nation respectively, told an audience of bankers Wednesday that they remain confident the merger will receive federal approval, but Ticketmaster is positioned to emerge largely unscathed should the merger fail. The Thomas Weisel Partners' equity research report, issued a day before Azoff and Rapino spoke, appears to validate many of the claims the two chief executives made about their companies' futures.

In addition, Thomas Weisel Partners upgraded Ticketmaster's financial rating from "Market Weight" to "Overweight" with a new stock price target of $12, up from $8. Ticketmaster stock, which trades under the symbol "TKTM," closed at $10.25 yesterday, September 9, a slight dip from the previous day's close. Click here to view the stock ticker.

"Driving our now favorable view is the belief that while ticket re-selling remains the industry’s hot potato, the introduction of dynamic ticket pricing in the primary market will be a meaningful driver of revenue and cash flow for Ticketmaster," analyst Ben Mogil wrote. "Dynamic ticketing will result in some of the consumer surplus which has been dissipated by the current ticket price system being recaptured in the primary market. The impact on re-selling will likely be that all but the strongest shows where the re-sale premiums are highest will be impacted by these changes in the primary market. From a Ticketmaster perspective, while the combination with Live Nation does facilitate an easier roll-out of dynamic pricing because of the scale of ticketing between the two, we believe that Ticketmaster, if it remains a stand-alone entity, can also roll-out the program successfully."

Ticketmaster reduced its fiscal outlook, Mogil wrote, in part "because of regulatory induced restrictions on its re-selling business (i.e. no on-sale until the primary market was sold out and a one-year ban on links to its re-selling site TicketsNow)," which he believes helps the company's dynamic ticket pricing model. Ticketmaster plans to roll out a major dynamic pricing initiative in early 2010, which will resemble airline or hotel pricing models and let artists or sports teams set ticket prices on the fly.

"While Ticketmaster noted in various regulatory filings that one of the main rationales for it supporting the merger was 'The prevailing macroeconomic conditions, and the economic environment of the industries in which Ticketmaster Entertainment and Live Nation operate…' we believe that the situation has improved for them of late particularly given that the merger discussions were held in January and February 2009 when the credit environment and overall consumer sentiment were materially worse than they are right now," Mogil wrote, adding that any effects to Ticketmaster's stock from the merger not going through will be short-term at best.

Because Ticketmaster and Live Nation, which still has its own ticketing operation, have lived through the balance of the year with all the negative publicity from the proposed merger but are still relatively bullish on their respective futures indicates that if the deal fell through it would not have a lasting impact.

"We believe that issues related to the 'unfairness' of dynamic pricing (i.e. the guy sitting next to you paid less) have long since been whittled away by anyone whom has ever flown on an airplane or stayed in a hotel," Mogil wrote, but he acknowledges that there could be some other obstacles to dynamic pricing, such as potential "fan backlash" because low-end tickets for sold-out shows could end up costing more. He believes that in some cases, those prices may still be less than those charged on the secondary market.

Comments

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The fallacy of manufactured demand

Sometimes the 'New idea' is just not a good one. It seems that the sexiness of the 'idea' of dynamic pricing persists despite the fact that it has fallen on it's face again and again and again. The logic hole that exists around event ticketing is simple this: You cannot manufacture demand by discounting entertainment ticketing (it is not a commodity). While it's true that you can price fans out of the market by going too high, you do not create a show-going fan out of someone who is apathetic to the event by reducing a ticket that they would not buy from $100 to $50 in a bid to fill the house. Fans either are or they are not interested in paying to see a show. A venue or promoter is better served by having a comprehensive understanding of the demographics of the band draw and running a well thought out promotional campaign.
If it had even one success, then perhaps we'd have something to discuss... but with failure after failure, I wonder how many times this will have to ruin shows and games before we can stop talking about it. Alas, thus far dynamic pricing is a joke and it's adherents are the laughingstock of serious professionals everywhere.
You cannot run a business by signing the act and then just picking a price out of the hat and letting the software adjust it until it's right and magically sell all of your tickets. I fear it's time some people just man-up and realize that real knowledge takes real work and real experience and just because there's a new way of doing things that doesn't make it a better way.

Don't Pass

Yes, I would like to put my life savings on the Don't Pass line with all these idiots who keep trying dynamic pricing even though it has already proven to not work. Ask Stubhub. Ask the Jets. They've both gotten screwed over on this garbage idea. Shut up about it already.

Irving Azoff is a dinosaur

Irving Azoff is a dinosaur business man living in the modern world. 62 year old music executive have no idea what the internet is all about. He is trying to change how to sell candles more effectively when the light bulb have been invented.

No body cares about the prices !! When parents pay thousands of dollars (on credit) for their kids concert tickets, price is the least of their worries. Ticketmaster should worry about how to make its product & services better, instead of worrying about dollars and cents. Ticketmaster needs to compare itself with Apple, Facebook, Youtube, even Ebay.

Comparing Ticketmaster to Airline industry? Isn't half of the airline in the world in bankruptcy protection.

As for Azoff, what does he have to care, he is about retired anyways.

Are you kidding me, roll it

Are you kidding me, roll it out baby in these tuff economic times. He must live in a bubble. Live Nation is going to go under in the next 6 to 12 months and Irving is going to find a way to walk away with the whole thing. He is a shrewed Jew. It won't be until "Hell freezes over" for this merger to go through after all this negative publicity.

Ticketmaster and dynamic ticketing

Irving Azoff does not care what the fans think. His job is to only care what the stockholders think. With the current and projected economy, and the fact that most of the dinosaurs of rock getting close to retirement age, I wouldn't believe any of the stats showing the Ticketmaster and Live Nation improving the their bottom line any time soon. Plus they have way too much overhead, the stockholders.

I know he doesn't care about

I know he doesn't care about the fans. But what artists are going to support this and be active in raising their own prices in front of their fans' eyes? I just don't see how this is going to work. If a show is hot, it will sell out very quickly anyhow... So no time to raise prices. If a show bombs, it will be embarrassing for artists to lower their prices, essentially admitting they are not very successful. In the entertainment business, where egos run wild, what artists would agree they are not as popular as they thought? Assuming a show would sell out quickly, does Ticketmaster plan on holding back seats and releasing them on different days, each with different prices? How else would they raise prices for quick sellouts?

Good Point about Artists Egos running wild

However, they have an answer. Sell them at discount to a third party and have the 3rd party put them up at less than face. Artist does not look like it is discounting.

Who Cares

what ticketmaster isnt telling anyone is that every tour they have done paperless on has been a total bloodbath with the gross on these shows, britney miley ac/dc etc horrible sales and bombs at the windows, get real brokers carry these shows when the merger doesnt happen AEG will buy live nation before they go bankrupt and then ticketmaster will loose both client then lets see what that mental midget azoff really thinks, he wants the bands to make the money the only problem is the more the band makes the bigger slice his managemt company gets.

Right....

I am sure the average concert goers is going to love it when their favorite band or artist decides to hike up prices because their tickets are selling better than expected. As if these people don't hate scalpers enough, imagine when they see their favorite performer(s) start jacking up prices to keep up with demand. The negative publicity the performer(s) would receive in such a case would far outweigh the extra profit received from raising ticket prices on the fly.

Is anyone even thinking of the fan's perspective in all of this? What artist is going to point blank scalp tickets to their own fans? How are they going to defend their actions? There would be no possible excuse other than greed. We know it happens with TicketExchange already (Britney Spears, Elton John, Billy Joel), but most fans don't even realize where those tickets on TicketExchange are coming from.

Wow who put the entire lower

Wow who put the entire lower section 150 on sale at below cost?

https://www.stubhub.com/u2-tickets/u2-chicago-soldier-field-9-12-2009-80...

Remains to be seen

Look, they're going to do it anyway. Brokers will exploit the system like anything else. It will be much harder for soccer moms and the like to broker tickets and they will get weeded out. Its on the horizon. Adaptation is the key. Paperless was not a disaster for ACDC and some other tours. What evidence do you point to for that ? It's worked for premium seats at many shows no problem.

I got an email this morning

I got an email this morning from the Redskins, they've chopped up to 50% off their U2 tickets. Club seats right by the stage that were originally $ 250 are now going for $ 123. I'm going to send the email to the guy who wrote the expose on them so he can let everyone know that the tickets they paid $ 250 for are now half that.

HA

Would you do the same if a shirt you bought went on sale a week later? Brainless brokers...

re: HA

you make a point ... but that is the entire point, because they (ticketmaster/customers) think its unfair that "we" raise the prices after the demand is apparent, but if its not ok to do that when the demand is high, why is it lower them when the demand is low? What is the difference. The difference is no one cares if a T-shirt doubles in price, people just wont buy them ... but with concerts, people still do buy them, and then complain about it.

Either be fine with either the price going up or down, or don't F with it.

Month of February 2010

  Seller Score
1     Ticketmaster.com 35.02
2 StubHub.com 9.39
3 TicketCity.com 2.65
4 TicketLiquidator.com 2.49
5 TicketsNow.com 2.23
6 LiveNation.com 2.03
7 Telecharge.com 1.64
8 TicketWeb.com 1.15
9 ABCTickets.com 1.13
10 TicketNetwork.com 1.10
11 GoTickets.com 0.94
12 ETix.com 0.93
13 TickCo.com 0.90
14 Vividseats.com 0.87
15 RazorGator.com 0.87
16 BrownPaperTickets.com 0.84
17 Tickets.com 0.82
18 EventTicketsCenter.com 0.78
19 Wantickets.com 0.71
20 CoasttoCoastTickets.com 0.69

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