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Dynamic pricing showdown: Digonex launches competitive product to Qcue
As the issue of dynamic pricing in the ticketing industry continues to gain traction in the market, a new player is entering the space.
This week, Digonex Technologies is launching its new dynamic pricing system, called the Sports & Entertainment Analytical Ticketing System (SEATS), which can help teams, venues, promoters and others set escalating or decreasing prices for event tickets depending on various factors, such as the weather, the opponent or what other events are in the area.
Digonex is joining the same market as Qcue, the fast-growing dynamic ticket pricing company that already has contracts with the San Francisco Giants and the Dallas Stars.
"Today's ticketing industry is facing many challenges including a tough economy, declining event attendance and competing forces for the entertainment dollar. Now more than ever, the industry needs a solution that provides a fair-to-all solution for artists, promoters, primary ticket sellers, secondary ticket sellers and consumers," Digonex CEO Jan Eglen, Ph.D., said in a statement. TicketNews posed several questions to Eglen for additional explanation about their system, but he did not immediately reply to that request.
SEATS was developed with the help of Michael Baye, Ph.D., a professor of Business Economics & Public Policy at Indiana University, and Rafi Mohammed, Ph.D., author of "The Art of Pricing."
"SEATS takes into account a variety of key elements that currently impact ticket pricing. Incorporating sophisticated dynamic pricing models into the solution allows Digonex to offer consumers more choices, as well as help increase sales and optimize profitability," Dr. Baye said in a statement.
Dynamic pricing was recently singled out by Ticketmaster Entertainment CEO Irving Azoff as one of the technologies the company is betting on in 2010 to help spur growth.
Some ticket brokers believe dynamic pricing is essentially what they currently do with tickets on the secondary market, by lowering or raising prices based in part on demand. But, many are critical of dynamic pricing because they see it as a way for primary ticket sellers to gain an unfair advantage over the broker community, because the primary ticketers can change prices and potentially undercut brokers. In addition, some season ticket holders worry that they will end up overpaying for their tickets because certain games will see lower prices. The San Francisco Giants and Qcue are seeking to alleviate the concerns of season ticket holders next year by altering the prices that the season ticket holders will pay for tickets, too.
Barry Kahn, Ph.D., CEO and founder of Qcue, welcomes Digonex to the marketplace, but believes that his company's biggest competition is not Digonex but teams that continue to embrace the status quo.
"Once teams embrace the fact that they can be more flexible in their pricing and that technology can help them do that, we have yet to see any competition," Kahn told TicketNews. "So in that view, we definitely welcome additional attention on the dynamic space. Recently, we’ve been hearing a little bit from other companies such as Digonex, who say they can do this. However to date, no one has signed a deal with a major league sports team or implemented dynamic pricing in any commercial form [other than Qcue]."
Kahn sees differences between his company's approach to dynamic pricing and that of Digonex.
"From our understanding, their product relies heavily on trial-and-error, trying different price points to find what works the best, what I believe they refer to as the 'sweet spot.' That is very different than our approach," Kahn said. "We are much more dynamic with our price setting, taking into account the relative prices of different sections in the venue to effect how the building fills up across sections, and helping teams to predict changes in demand before they manifest themselves in sales."
Kahn added, "In addition to being a pricing engine, our system is becoming a tool for demand forecasting and revenue predictions, important functionality for a system like ours, but which seem to occupy a very different space than a trial-and-error 'sweet spot' approach."
According to Digonex, SEATS is customizable and "makes use of dozens of parameters to calculate the best price for event tickets, including seat quality, number of performances, rival performances, third-party offerings and sales patterns among other variables."
In addition, the Digonex system also "helps organizations tackle the issues of ticket cannibalization, substitution, and secondary markets, taking into consideration the impact of a high price driving consumers to lower-priced tickets or different event dates."




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Comments represent the opinions of users and do not necessarily reflect the views of TicketNews.What the primary sellers fail to realize is that the one the biggest reason people go to the secondary market is they don't want to commit to ticket purchase so far in advance. People never know what they are going to do for the most part and having the option to buy the day before or the day off an event with the choice of their seats is worth it. It boils down to the present value of the dollar, they use their in other places until they deceide if they are going to the game/show. They also enjoy the simple fact that 40% of the secondary ticket are below face. When does any primary seller do that? 90% for season ticket holders sell at some point, does this mean the team is losing revenue?? Tickets are a commodity plain and simple and the trading will NEVER stop. All the fighting and litigation over something they can't stop drives prices even high, along with holding back 80% of the tickets that the general public has no chance of getting, basically fuels the secondary market.
The primary market knows one thing that is not being said nor do they want to admit. I always use the analogy of the ticket market and stock market operating in the same business model. With that being said when a stock comes out for its IPO it gets legs from the instutional buyers. This is no different in the ticket market. When an event goes on sales. It gets its advance from the ticket brokers (institutional buyers)
Now if there is uncertainty in the market place and brokers feel that what they are buying may go down in price they will no longer buy that product or they will buy less and wait for right market conditions. Again no differnt than the stock market. We have seen this model tested with auctions and it has failed becuase of the uncertainty.
Seriously Al? This is great ...
"Some ticket brokers believe dynamic pricing is essentially what they currently do with tickets on the secondary market ... But, many are critical of dynamic pricing because they see it as a way for primary ticket sellers to gain an unfair advantage over the broker community ..."
That is rich.
First off, ticket brokers' goal in life isn't to "dynamically price". Ticket brokers' goal in life is to buy low and sell high. What ticket broker do you know that buys inventory to test market pricing theories? Brokers are in business to make money for themselves (nothing wrong with that at all, but it is what it is).
Second, how can brokers be critical of dynamic pricing because it gives primary ticket sellers an "unfair advantage"? What?! Last time I checked, brokers don't pay/manage event staff, pay players/performers, and/or run sports teams, promote concerts, or produce theater. To argue that brokers have some "right" to profit from the ticket market is just silly.
Look, brokers are traders, pure and simple. There is nothing wrong with being a trader, and traders that are smarter (and/or have better knowledge) than the market can make money. But, let's call a spade a spade - brokers don't have the best interest of the primary sellers/teams in mind. Brokers are trying to make money, taking advantage of an arbitrage oppty to work with consumers that aren't satisfied with their other options.
It's America, and if you are smart enough to take advantage of a market inefficiency to make money than more power to you! This is what brokers have been doing for years, primarily because the market for live event tickets wasn't efficient. Thing is, this market is (finally) maturing, and when the arbitrage opportunities start to vanish (due to better technology, smarter consumers, and less naive teams/promoters/artists) then brokers are screwed, and they can't complain it's "not fair". Quite the contrary.
I am not sure what Mr. Kahns system does other then sell the "depressed" inventory of teams dont sell out. To say someone else is using trail and error is just his way of saying he doesn't know exactly how they are doing it. in my opinion any type of system is going to have a trail period to learn the curves In actuality, there is no right and wrong final price that can ever be "found". The variables will constantly be moving. What will make this work is making the seller and the buyers happy! That takes more than saying "We are much more dynamic with our price setting, taking into account the relative prices of different sections in the venue to effect how the building fills up across sections, and helping teams to predict changes in demand before they manifest themselves in sales." as Mr Khan says. Sounds to me like a fancy way to say "educated guess" also. So it all depends on who can best understand the data provided, has the most experience in the realm of stage and production setup, secondary ticket sales,sales history and an understanding of what the artist or teams needs are. And that's just a few of the items that Mr Khan did not mention in his statement. There are about 20 other items to take into account that I am sure he hasn't even thought about. Digonex seems to me to have the more experienced team in these matters. And yes i have seen both in action!
Pardon the typos above!
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>Second, how can brokers be critical of dynamic pricing because it gives primary ticket >sellers an "unfair advantage"? What?! Last time I checked, brokers don't pay/manage >event staff, pay players/performers, and/or run sports teams, promote concerts, or >produce theater. To argue that brokers have some "right" to profit from the ticket >market is just silly.
i agree with you that brokers can't complain that dynamic pricing gives primary sellers and unfair advantage. However I disagree that brokers don't brokers don't pay/manage >event staff, pay players/performers, and/or run sports teams, promote concerts, or >produce theater.
Well brokers don't directly pay for all these things but neither do the teams in some cases (i.e. the NFL pays a large amount of money for the bad teams promotion). Brokers however do indirectly do all these things by committing to ticket sales early...I.e. when Miley Cyrus's fans aren't 13 anymore brokers get stuck with tickets that 5 months ago paid for all of those above things....When the Boston Red Sox weren't a hot ticket this year ticket brokers footed the bill to sell out fenway for all the season tickets they ate ahead of time....When U2 goes on sale in November 2009 for shows in July 2010 ticket brokers indirectly pay the promoters by providing them with up front money that fans do not and the examples could go on and on and on (bad sports team season tickets etc...). Brokers provide liquidity to the market, something that all these teams/promoters and other entities you speak of take for granted