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Promoter Louis Messina raises new concerns about Ticketmaster and possible scalping activities
Allegations have been swirling for months about Ticketmaster's potential scalping of their own concert tickets. Louis Messina, Nashville area promoter and president of TMG/AEG live, is the latest to add his voice to the growing chorus of concern.
In an interview aired this week on WTVF-TV News Channel 5 in Nashville, Messina shared his concerns that Ticketmaster regularly moves tickets from the primary market to the secondary market. When asked by investigative reporter Phil Williams if Ticketmaster was “standing at the front of the line grabbing tickets”, Messina responded, “Ticketmaster had all of the tickets. They don’t have to stand at the front of the line.”
"Are they [Ticketmaster] feeding their own companies? If you owned a company... I would think the answer is yes."
In the interview, Messina also confirmed that in the past he has been approached (though he did not specify by whom) regarding scalping tickets for his own events. See the video below.
According to the promoter, Taylor Swift recently rejected a deal with Ticketmaster that she believed came too close to scalping her own concert tickets. These allegations come on the heels of news that Keith Urban allowed Ticketmaster to withhold hundreds of tickets for his recent world tour, hiking up the prices and renaming them “Official Platinum Seats”.
Ticketmaster responded to Messina’s claims by stating that the artists, venues and promoters are in charge of decisions on ticket withholding, and not Ticketmaster itself.
Last week, WTVF-TV reported that thousands of tickets for recent Nashville appearances by Swift and Urban were redirected to American Express, for exclusive sale to card members, and fan clubs for sale there. Many of these holdbacks were later found at the ticketer’s secondary site, TicketsNow. The ultimate result of this action was to drastically reduce the number of tickets available for public sale.
As for legal action against the ticketing giant, everyone remembers the Bruce Springsteen controversy earlier this year, when he alleged that Ticketmaster arbitrarily redirected fans to its secondary seller site, TicketsNow.
New Jersey Attorney General Anne Milgram took Ticketmaster to task over these allegations. This event was the inspiration for U.S. Rep Bill Pascrell, Jr.’s (D-NJ-08) proposed Better Oversight of Secondary Sales and Accountability in Concert Ticketing or BOSS act, which would, among other things, require primary ticket sellers to specify the number of tickets available for public onsale as well as those withheld for sale elsewhere. Secondary sites to would be forced to make clear that their tickets are resale tickets. Also under this provision, primary ticketers, artists, promoters and their employees would be prohibited from reselling tickets for events in which they are involved for more than face value.
Milgram’s action earlier this year has been only one of many initiated over concerns regarding Ticketmaster’s activities. Recently, a New Jersey ticket broker, Chuck Lombardo, brought suit, alleging that a Ticketmaster-affiliated company managing the Eagles was involved in scalping tickets for their 2008-2009 tour, and that Ticketmaster scalped tickets for a number of other high profile bands, including Van Halen and Def Leppard.
There is also news of another lawsuit, a class-action suit filed by fans, claiming that Ticketmaster, through an action title “Project Showtime” withheld a pre-determined number of tickets from the primary market for a mark-up on the secondary.
When reached for comment, Ticketmaster’s Hannah Kampf directed TicketNews to Thursday’s Billboard.biz article in which Messina attempted to clarify some statements he’d made in WTVF’s investigative piece. In the article, Messina noted that his “feeding their own companies” comment referred to the Springsteen incident only and nothing else. He added that the television piece did not air his comments regarding Ticketmaster CEO Irving Azoff, whom he says is working hard to “clean all this up”. Messina never specifically denied his previous allegations that Ticketmaster is involved in moving tickets to the secondary market.
In seeming agreement with Ticketmaster, Messina confirmed that ticket withholding occurs at the discretion of promoter and venue. He also claimed that presales, which can eat up a number of tickets from public onsale, are directed to the public, though usually to those in fan clubs or who have previously purchased tickets, and to radio stations. He did acknowledge that many tickets from the primary market do, and will continue to, find their way to the secondary market. “This system is so wired, no matter what everything winds up on the secondary ticket market."


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Comments represent the opinions of users and do not necessarily reflect the views of TicketNews.Artists, Venues, Promoters, Ticket Retailers, Secondary Ticket Sellers, Private Scalpers all share the blame but the worst offender is the Consumer. It is the consumer and their dollar that drives the whole seedy industry. If the consumer is unhappy with this kind of questionable (but legal !) business practice, then the consumer should withhold from buying any tickets to any events. All parties involved will get the message loud and clear if they are unable to sell any tickets.
Louis Messina has been scalping tickets for years. Pace concerts was notorious for it. The man is a hypocrite. Just look at the Taylor Swift package that was being shopped around. I am sick of these two faced promoters.
If Azoff wanted to "clean all this up," I would think, as CEO, he would have the ability to very quickly. Ticketmaster is a large, publicly traded corporation, of which Azoff is the little man at the top of the ladder. If he issued a directive that Ticketmaster is not to volunteer to re-sell tickets, and will only do so at the request of the artist, promoter, management, and/or venue, then Ticketmaster would be out of the secondary market like that. However, he hasn't, which only furthers the hypocrisy that I have been repeating since the Bruce fiasco started...Ticketmaster, Azoff, Live Nation, and pretty much all these clowns in the primary side of things only have a problem with the secondary market when they are not the ones who are profiting off it.
TM just wants to learn how Brokers make their money so they can figure out how to stop or at least slow down the brokers ability to make money. Brokers need to stop working for TM or at-least get a contract before you help them. TM just wants all the money, they are not satisfied with the crazy fees they charge. But at the end of the day they are still in control of most tickets to any event.....
I agree ticket brokers need to stop working with TM. A few months ago a story
was released from the Washington Post regarding 10 possible brokers selling their
respective business to TM. The deal fell through and TM purchased Ticketsnow.
Has anyone noticed how hard it is to get fronts for the last two years. I have. TM
has obviously received a lot of information and the results are that brokers are
finding it harder and harder to obtain great seats.
Brokers can't get good seats, fans can't get good seats, nobody can get good seats more often than not. Ticketmaster wants to make it so that in the future, ALL good seats are reserved for "VIP packages" and such at inflated prices directly offered for sale on Ticketmaster. There will be no more times where you luck out and score primo seats within a couple rows of the stage for face value. If the merger goes through, that's all that will happen. We saw just recently how Taylor Swift turned down Ticketmaster's offer to to reserve her best seats for VIP packages at inflated prices. In the future, she and other artists won't have that right to say "no" to Ticketmaster if the merger passes. Ticketmaster will force them to do this and they won't have any where else to turn to.
Tickmaster wants all the money to themselves, it kills them when they see Stubhub making alot of money or the average Broker making some money
They are gonna find a way to make all the money, wether it is through their dynamic ticket pricing or some other way, but they will make sure they get a monopoly on the entire industry
Total Hogwash - TM has and probably still is posting tickets for their own profit. Yes they need an approval from the artist to do this but they actually go out and pursue these agreement on a daily basis. I read somewhere a guy was suing them and that he was actually pricing tickets for TM - if they don't really post tickets for profit why did they need this person to price them. And in the end he claims they never paid him - when does this industry and the DOJ take this bull by the horns and get it right for once. Nex thting they will tell you is that all in ticketing is good for the patron - more hogwash. At least one could buy a ticket without a service charge at the venue in days gone by - if all in becomes the norm someone is making more money on service charges - wonder who that is. Michael Moore got it in Capitalism and this fits right in with that.
And some way regular joe ticket brokers will end up taking the blame for this like always. I am sure Azoff will respond with some spin job blindly putting the blame on regular ticket brokers who play by the rules.
And Ticketsnow (owned by Ticketsmaster) doesn't allow tickets to be posted on their website until an event goes on sale to the public (after any presales). However, if you hit refresh for any major event the second after the presale begins, there will be hundreds, if not thousands of tickets available. I guarantee people can't list tickets that quickly to that many events (i.e. 12 Taylor Swift events going on sale at the same time). Ticketmaster has to either be listing some of those tickets themselves OR through some shady subsidiaries, which I believe is the case.
the biggest crooks in the ticket buisness is aeg then ticketmaster then live nation,
in that order. If you go to buy a public onsale and aeg is the promoter, 99 % of the
time there will be no tickets in the best 400 or more seats. this is a fact not my
opinion. live nation is allmost as bad. the first punch is allways 200 s, 300s, and
up. earlier this year there was a dave matthews show in southern california, two shows
went on public onsale at the same time. both shows had less than ten tickets in each
show. THATS RIGHT less than 10 tickets out of 18,000 , and they were all singles.
How can this happen, and nobody does nothing.
TM has been in the front of the line since the late 1970's.they ( TM) have also been brokering the tickets they had for inventory for the same period of time....this is NOT a revelation !
Why the heck don't promoters sell tickets @ the venue on the first day of sale & why don't artists' demand that tickets only be sold regionally to concerts and NOT nation-wide ?
...and whose front door does ALL this fall on ?? ticket brokers !! Why...because we're the easiest to blame !