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Ticketmaster weighs in on proposed Canadian ticket resale legislation

By Alfred Branch Jr.
Presale Today

Looking at the possibility of having its hands tied in how it sells tickets, Ticketmaster Entertainment this week came out swinging in the debate over proposed new ticketing legislation in Saskatchewan, Canada.

In a rare opinion editorial, published in The Star Phoenix, Joe Freeman, senior vice president of public affairs and assistant general counsel for Ticketmaster, tried to explain his company's business model, how ticket brokers allegedly hurt fans, and why the proposed legislation comes up short in protecting consumers.

Among other rules, Saskatchewan Justice Minister Don Morgan and officials are looking at prohibiting the resale of tickets for 48 hours after they initially go on sale to the general public; primary ticket sellers, such as Ticketmaster, would not be allowed to link to secondary Web sites from the primary site; and reseller Web sites associated with an event's primary selling site would also be restricted for selling tickets to the event in question.

While Saskatchewan may be a small market for entertainment, similar regulations are being considered in the U.S., under a proposal by New Jersey Congressman Bill Pascrell, Jr., and anytime ticketing rules are being considered the whole industry watches.

"There are many misunderstandings about Ticketmaster. We do not: (1) own the tickets being made available for sale on Ticketmaster; (2) 'hold back' any tickets entrusted to us by clients; (3) provide preferential access to brokers or others accessing our website; or (4) "divert" tickets to brokers or resale websites, including our online resale site, TicketsNow," Freeman wrote.

"To the contrary, we invest considerable resources to thwart unscrupulous individuals using automated software or 'bots' to unfairly access tickets. We pursue them in court and are in constant contact with law enforcement to ferret out and bring to justice these wrongdoers. Therefore we welcome Morgan's proposal to outlaw bots," he continued.

While the use of bots remains an issue for Ticketmaster, Freeman is quick to turn his argument toward ticket brokers, and how paperless ticketing can allegedly help consumers avoid brokers altogether.

"We continue to work closely with our clients to improve the ticketing process," Freeman wrote. "We are proud to have provided 100 per cent paperless ticketing, where a fan's credit card serves as the ticket, for Miley Cyrus's ongoing U.S. tour, as well as for several thousand of the best tickets for concerts at the MTS Centre in Winnipeg -- a program being adopted by leading venues across Canada."

"Our paperless ticketing initiative was used for portions of Bruce Springsteen's recent tour and will be employed for John Mayer's 2010 tour, including his April 6 concert at the Credit Union Centre. Paperless ticketing enables performers and promoters to connect directly with fans and bypass brokers," he added.

Under Morgan's proposal, Freeman and Ticketmaster believe the company is being singled out, and that ultimately no primary sellers could host secondary ticket resale sites, such as its TicketsNow subsidiary. Ticketmaster also owns TicketExchange, a site that currently serves as the authorized resale site for dozens of professional sports teams, and where artists have been know to sell premium tickets and packages.

"We have launched initiatives such as barring the posting of tickets for resale before they initially are made available for sale (a potentially misleading practice many other online marketplaces allow) and, for select high-profile concert tours, listing the original face price of the resale listing and providing links back to the primary Ticketmaster site when tickets are still available for sale directly from the event provider. Ticketmaster has also barred the posting of paperless tickets for resale on TicketsNow (another high-risk practice allowed on other marketplaces)," Freeman wrote.

Ticketmaster launched these initiatives mainly to satisfy a complaint by New Jersey Attorney General Anne Milgram following the company's debacle involving Bruce Springsteen tickets. But, Freeman believes that such initiatives would be thwarted by Morgan's proposal, leaving consumers at risk.

"Morgan's legislation would stop in their tracks consumer-friendly initiatives like these in Saskatchewan, and brokers across North America would celebrate as consumers are left vulnerable to the greater vagaries, risks and inconveniences of unauthorized third-party ticket resale and its often unreliable and insecure delivery methods that would continue to operate unfettered," Freeman wrote, adding that he hopes Ticketmaster and Canadian officials can continue to work together to address consumer protection concerns.

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The way around paperless tickets ~ it's easy

I'm tired of hearing about paperless tickets causing brokers any trouble.

The issue of paperless tickets being some sort of bulwark against the brokers and their "evil empire" is laughable. Every broker has the ability to circumvent this feeble impediment simply by using what are called "P-cards".

To begin a full-scale P-card program, simply call your credit card company, ask for the business services group and tell them you would like to begin a P-card program. Then, instead of shipping "tickets" to a buyer, you simply send them the card itself.

There would still be issues related to breaking up sets, but overall, you can figure out what you need and how to buy accordingly.

Regards,

e

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Did you guys forget?

That Azoff tried to get in bed with the top 6 ticket brokers? He was intentionally dishing off the best seats for the Valen Halen tour to the top 6 brokers in the country. He tried to hire them all on his staff and the deal fell through! So don't sit here and tell us you try to thwart brokers...what a joke. You're playing both sides TM.

As I wrote below: "The mere

As I wrote below:

"The mere fact that Ticketbastard does not want to unload TicketExchange only furthers the hypocrisy of their entire argument against the secondary market, and that is that Ticketbastard, Live Nation, and everyone else involved in the primary ticket industry only has a problem with the secondary market when they aren't the ones profiting off it."

Paperless Ticket

Enough with the "Pioneered paperless ticketing". It has and will do more harm than good. So much for all their "Account Management" technology. Think about ie, with paperless ticketing being used to avoid resales, customers can NOT transfer tickets any more. So basically no more gifting tickets, more empty seats because only the card holder or someone that holds the actual credit card can enter the event.

Ironically paperless ticketing and the choice by some venues, artists, and events to lock down entry to events based on the credit card used for the purchase as under cut all the technology preached over the past decade.

1) Print at home ticketing (so much for advertising on a ticket)
2) Online account management (No more Transfering Tickets)
3) More butts in seats because you can transfer tickets. (not any more)
4) Access Control - quick lines, etc. (Not any more with people needing to wait until a receipt is printed after having their credit card being swiped)

From what I've heard, one

From what I've heard, one issue at some paperless events has been if you bought the tickets with a card that expired. Some of the scanners verify the expiration as well as the card number. That may not sound like an issue, but when you consider Bon Jovi and U2 are selling tickets for shows 8-10 months in advance, it can be.

As far as paperless ticketing not allowing gifting tickets and thus reducing ticket sales, I don't think that's a consumer issue really. If TM wants to introduce a method that limits sales, so be it..they are doing a disservice to both their artists and shareholders, both of whom they have a legal obligation to try and generate as much revenue as possible for. I would think placing restrictions that will lead to reduced revenues would fly in the face of those obligations.

As a regular consumer, it's the fact that you are unable to trasnfer a ticket that you legitimately purchased that is the REAL issue, and if consumers want any shot at getting legislators to look into this, that is the issue they need to focus on. Another issue is that TM is restricting what is, in the majority of states, a LEGAL RIGHT to re-sell tickets. What they are trying to do is stifle any source of competition to their business, even by average consumers who may not be able to make a show. If you are a broker, promoter, or even a consumer, this monopolistic tactic should be having you on the phones to your congressman/woman and senators, and networking and mobilizing others who oppose this nonsense. TM has, so far, had the only voice in this argument, that needs to change.

The only real difference

The only real difference between Saskatchewan's legislation and Pascrell's BS act is this part - "reseller Web sites associated with an event's primary selling site would also be restricted for selling tickets to the event in question."

This is why Ticketbastard supports Pascrell's act and doesn't like Saskatchewan's, because it would take money away from them by prohibiting them from listing anything on TicketsNow that is being sold on Ticketbastard. While I'm sure they know they are probably going to dump TicketsNow at some point, the real issue is that this part of the legislation could very well be applied to TicketExchange as well, and Ticketbastard has shown no indication of wanting to get rid of what would appear to be a very profitable part of their company. All the money they spent securing NHL and NFL resale rights would be for not when they are prohibited from engaging in any sort of resale with an event they handle the primary sale for as well. The mere fact that Ticketbastard does not want to unload TicketExchange only furthers the hypocrisy of their entire argument against the secondary market, and that is that Ticketbastard, Live Nation, and everyone else involved in the primary ticket industry only has a problem with the secondary market when they aren't the ones profiting off it.

well said!

well said!

Irving Azoff is the devil

Irving Azoff is the devil

What a surprise.

What a surprise. Ticketmaster catches some heat, and puts the blame on ticket brokers for their own problems. Seriously, has Ticketmaster ever defended themselves against a complaint or legislation initiative without blaming ticket brokers? Are they even capable of defending their actions without putting out some spin job anti-broker propaganda in defense? It's laughable any more.

Why did your servers crash? Those damn ticket brokers!
Why couldn't I buy tickets for my favorite band? Those damn ticket brokers!
Why am I being charged $100 for two $39 tickets? Those damn ticket brokers!

Ticketsmaster's spin tactics against the brokers is calculated.

Ticketsmaster's spin tactics against the brokers is calculated. They took a page from Karl Rove and the bush administration's spin tactics. It is quite scary, they are leading a crusade, a jihad one might say, against ticket brokers. Think about it, Irving Azoff has haited ticket brokers for way longer than anyone gives him credit. The man's number one competitor is the broker. He is trying to eliminate his number one competitor. The problem is that if he is able to eliminate the broker, then the consumer should go ahead and bend over now because it is going to be really ugly. All of the price control would be in their hands. You can get a ticket but they will make you pay SOOOOO much more than any broker would make you pay. Just take a look at their "convenience fees". Hell, I have paid $17 in fees on a $9.99 ticket before... ?!? And guess what, I had no other choice!

BS

Freeman is flat out lying. End of story. All 4 of his bullet points are lies, in my educated opinion.

Ticketmaster is the biggest

Ticketmaster is the biggest Ticket Broker out there!

Month of February 2010

  Seller Score
1     Ticketmaster.com 35.02
2 StubHub.com 9.39
3 TicketCity.com 2.65
4 TicketLiquidator.com 2.49
5 TicketsNow.com 2.23
6 LiveNation.com 2.03
7 Telecharge.com 1.64
8 TicketWeb.com 1.15
9 ABCTickets.com 1.13
10 TicketNetwork.com 1.10
11 GoTickets.com 0.94
12 ETix.com 0.93
13 TickCo.com 0.90
14 Vividseats.com 0.87
15 RazorGator.com 0.87
16 BrownPaperTickets.com 0.84
17 Tickets.com 0.82
18 EventTicketsCenter.com 0.78
19 Wantickets.com 0.71
20 CoasttoCoastTickets.com 0.69

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