City of Chicago could pursue a state law to have StubHub collect amusement tax

By Alfred Branch Jr.

In its latest legal defeat at the hands of secondary ticket resale giant StubHub, the City of Chicago was left a small opening by the court in its fight to force StubHub to collect the city's amusement tax from ticket sales.

U.S District Court Judge Wayne R. Anderson this week, denied the city's request for reconsideration in its year-old lawsuit against StubHub, following Anderson's initial decision this past April in favor of StubHub.

In the April decision, Anderson said the city's laws governing the 8 percent amusement tax it collects on ticket sales contradicted each other. The two sides had no quarrel about the legality of the tax itself, only over whether StubHub should collect it, and the company said it shouldn't be forced to because it is a marketplace therefore the ticket sellers themselves should be liable for the collection of the tax.

This month, Anderson denied the city's request for new consideration partly because legal precedent was essentially on StubHub's side.

"In our Opinion, we concluded that the City has no power under Illinois law to impose an obligation on StubHub to collect and remit the Amusement Tax when a ticket reseller uses the StubHub website to resell tickets at prices above face value. That decision was based in part on our determination that the City lacks home rule authority to tax the resale of tickets at above-face value because… such transactions involve the purchase and sale of 'tangible personal property,'" Anderson wrote.

Neither Ed Walsh nor Sean Pate, spokespersons for the Chicago's Department of Revenue and StubHub, respectively, returned messages seeking comment.

Anderson continued that the state legislature could settle the matter by creating a new law to address it, but whether the city will pursue that in the face of its legal defeats is unknown. The city has long maintained that it believes StubHub should collect the tax, so it may pursue the legislative tact to clear the matter up once and for all.

"We note that, if the General Assembly wishes to have internet auction listing sites, such as StubHub, collect Amusement Taxes when a ticket reseller uses the site to resell tickets at prices above face value, it has the power to do so by enacting legislation. As the legislation is currently written, however, we do not believe that StubHub has the obligation to collect and remit Amusement Taxes under these circumstances," Anderson wrote.

John Moore, a Chicago-based attorney, said he respects Judge Anderson, but said the ruling to open it up to the legislature could put StubHub in a tough position. "I think [Judge Anderson] got this one wrong."

Local Chicago ticket brokers have not liked Anderson's decision because they believe it puts them at an unfair disadvantage because they have no choice but to collect the tax, which often makes their tickets more expensive than those found on StubHub.

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StubHub is right on this one - the seller should be responsible for collecting the tax, not the middleman. When you sell a car through Auto Trader or eBay, are they responsible for collecting and paying the tax? No, you are. This is really no different.

Because the city law states that, on resale, the 8% only applies to the difference between the original price and the resale price, StubHub would have to be able to accurately record the face value/original purchase price of EVERY ticket sold on their site, something I don't think they can reasonably do. This would make it impossible for them to accurately collect the tax, especially when it is the seller who is primarily benefiting from the sale, who will know what the original price they paid is, and who should be responsible for paying the tax. The city probably realizes this too, but knows going after one big company is a lot easier than thousands of individual sellers, many of whom are probably based outside of the city and state.

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The difference is you do not know who the seller is. Stubhub charges the customers credit card and sends the buyer the tickets. You never know who the seller is. You are buying from Stubhub. They claim they stand behind all transactions. When you buy a washing machine from Best Buy, Best Buy collects the tax. Best buy doesn't claim that Maytag is responsible for the taxes on the washing machine they sold. Best buy collects and remits the tax.

Also even if the seller is responsible for the tax on the portion that they sell the tickets for what about the 25% markup stubhub throws on top of that? The seller is responsible for collecting the tax on stubhub's markup? This is no different the markup of a ticket broker. Or does that 25% markup not get collected by anyone. By the way that 25% markup is probably as much as the sellers markup on average.

Bottom line Stubhub has better attorneys than the City that used to work - Chicago.

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There is a big difference between Best Buy and StubHub. The former is the entity selling you the item, the latter is a middleman. As for paying tax on the markup, the most they would have to pay is on the 10% they charge the customer, as the 15% charged to the seller is a commission, not an additional charge onto the cost of the tickets. I'm pretty sure they can argue the 10% "service charge" they charge the buyer is exempt from the city tax, and probably be successful. According to your argument, StubHub should probably also probably deduct income tax from each seller as well, right? It all is based on how much, if anything, the seller is making profit off the ticket, and as I said before, there is no reasonable or accurate way for StubHub to record and report the seller's original cost of the ticket. The city can easily pass a law that would tack the 8% onto StubHub sales, so why don't they, rather than waste millions of dollars losing in court?

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Go away tax man; you waste enough of our money.

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