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Live Nation Entertainment struggles with what to do with TicketsNow as profits plummet

By Alfred Branch Jr.

In early 2008, Ticketmaster announced it was buying secondary ticket company TicketsNow, a $265 million move that was designed to jumpstart the company's underperforming ticket resale business because its own TicketExchange had not caught on with fans.

Now, two and a half years later, what was once a business that was generating annual earnings of roughly $15 million, TicketsNow is struggling to make $1 million to $2 million per year, and new parent company Live Nation Entertainment is wondering what to do with it.

Michael Rapino, president and CEO of Live Nation Entertainment, made the stunning admission during a quarterly financials conference call yesterday, May 10. And, while he did not say the company was prepared to pull the plug on TicketsNow, he and other executives are exploring "strategic options" surrounding the business, including its potential sale.

"We currently are not having success in that division," Rapino said. Though a sale price has not been disclosed, industry insiders estimate it could sell for less than a third of the original acquisition price.

Soon after the announcement of the Ticketmaster/Live Nation merger, Irving Azoff, executive chairman of Live Nation Entertainment, hinted at a possible sale of TicketsNow, in part because he and Rapino publicly harbored ill will toward the secondary ticket market, yet behind the scenes Azoff reportedly tried unsuccessfully to buy several secondary ticket companies in 2007, under a Ticketmaster-initiated program codenamed "Project Showtime."

Almost from the beginning, the fit between TicketsNow and Ticketmaster was an uneasy one, and soon after the acquisition, ticket brokers complained that the deal could jeopardize their businesses, because Ticketmaster would have access to their competitive sales data, among other things.

Key executives left TicketsNow soon after the Ticketmaster acquisition, which set it back in the minds of many broker clients, and since the end of 2008, four different people have headed up the company.

In addition, Ticketmaster and TicketsNow also were accused of unfair business practices for allegedly redirecting Radiohead fans from Ticketmaster's Web site to TicketsNow where tickets sell at a premium. It was a situation that would dog the two businesses and ultimately lead them to settle expensive complaints lodged by the New Jersey attorney general and the Federal Trade Commission over allegedly similar practices with Bruce Springsteen tickets.

Included in the settlements were promises that the two companies would not share ticket links, which hurt TicketsNow's sales. The company has gone through more than one round of layoffs over the past two years as revenues and profits dropped, and TicketsNow's business "deteriorated."

"Our fundamental belief at Ticketmaster/Live Nation is that the answer to grow our business is less about trying to make $5 million or $6 million in service fees off of secondary ticket sales and much more important to figure out how to capture that $1 billion in up-sell on the face value of tickets," Rapino said.

"So, whether it's seat maps, dynamic pricing or just convincing the band that the front row is worth $400, not $100, we're noticing a great reception by artists worldwide who would like to capture more of the upside, and our first goal is to figure out how to price the house right. If we do that, that would be the biggest way to grow our gross revenue versus any secondary strategy that was just capturing the fee side of the business," he added.

Rapino did not disclose a time frame for when he hopes to have the TicketsNow situation resolved.

"We're looking at whether it's a salvageable business or not," he said.

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I can't believe TicketsNOW is still open. I had no idea. I thought they closed down over a year ago. Next you'll tell me Enron stock is doing well.

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I'd say Ticketsnow is worth much less than a third of $235m that TM paid. I don't see much value in it or who would want to pay $75m for what amounts to an internet domain.
If Ticketmaster/Livenation want to eradicate the secondary market, then they should be thrilled to close the door at Ticketsnow and write-off its value. To be honest, you might as well do that anyway. The dumbest sales reps, no site traffic, few sales...no thanks!

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exactly, what would you really be buying? they let everyone go and merged the customer service into TM. do you get EI? maybe RAM should buy it for the new exchange that will be the demise of Ticketnetwork.

back to flipping burgers for Don V

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What does he mean that their focus remains on the $1 billion up sell of tickets and trying to price tickets more efficiently? Wouldn't that be the focus of the artists and venues? The amount the public pays for a ticket shouldn't impact Ticketmaster whatsoever, except the fee on that ticket they collect. Those comments lead me to believe there is way more going on behind the scenes here than TM and LN are leading us to believe. If the primary ticket source is directly profiting off ticket sales (IE Live Nation as both the ticketeer and promoter) then watch out... They will stop at nothing to screw the public.

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You do realize that Live Nation and Ticketmaster merged right and you know that Live Nation is a concert promoter right?

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Julia & Brooke: Ain't Karma a *****. ;-)

Julia: Is this why you are selling your house in Chicago? ;-)

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TicketsNow was a great company. We built the organization on best practices with brokers and with consumers. From creating a very dependable secondary network for brokers to outstanding customer service by giving people what they wanted and developing and executing on our marketing objectives and by being on the cutting edge.

The problem, Ticketmaster has been the 900lb monopoly for quite some time. They owned the board and in fact have outstanding technology. Just because they owned the toll booths does not mean they understand the Interstate. The problem is they were out of touch with the pulse of the market and thier managers have little to understanding of the business outside of their corporate training and it could be said that it replaced TNows senior leadership with more of the same.

Essentially, Ticketsnow because of one line of code in their application was brought down and will always be associated with the "Springsteen Issue".

Let's also be very clear, Michael Rapino and Ticketmaster are also using Ticketsnow as a sacrificial goat in creating long term value for Live Nation which will be a much more tremendously expensive proposition for consumers.

Their acquisition of Paciolan while somewhat under the radar is also a tremendous asset.

The Live Nation umbrella has the opportunity to control every asset of our entertainment dollars and add value/improve cash flow for itself and their clients. The marketing potential of this organization has been I would assume by design, understated.

The question is can Live Nation accomplish this or will someone eat their lunch like we did at TicketsNow because we were better managers and entrepreneurs.

Any well capitalized company can grow through acquisition but without strong leadership, that is often short lived.

Bernie

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