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NATB objects to National Finals Rodeo prohibiting open market ticket resale
For the first time in its 25-year history in Las Vegas, the Wrangler National Finals Rodeo (WNFR) is requiring season ticket holders only use an as-yet established proprietary ticket exchange to resell their tickets, a move that has drawn the ire of the National Association of Ticket Brokers (NATB).
In a ticket policy statement document released earlier this year, the WNFR said it plans to launch the "2010 Official Online Wrangler NFR Ticket Exchange" sometime in May, and the organizers make clear that they will not tolerate season ticket holders reselling their tickets anywhere but through the group's exchange.
"This online ticket exchange will be the only official, secure and authentic website for all Wrangler NFR Ticket(s) to be exchanged," the statement reads. "NFR account holders who attempt to sell their tickets on any unauthorized website will risk having their tickets revoked for all future years."
Las Vegas Events produces the rodeo each year, and the group handles the ticketing.
"Las Vegas Events has a very strict policy on the resale of NFR Tickets. Tickets can only be sold online at the NFR Ticket Exchange or in Las Vegas at the Ticket Exchange located at the Cowboy Christmas Gift Show," the policy statement reads. Street scalping around the Thomas & Mack Center, which is located on the UNLV campus, is also not allowed.
The statement continues, "All NFR online ticket sales must take place through the Official NFR Ticket Exchange. If any account holder tickets are found for sale on any unauthorized online resale website then these tickets will be immediately revoked. The account holder is responsible for all tickets listed under his account that are not sold through the online NFR Ticket Exchange. The account holder is aware that all NFR tickets are a revocable license, and any unauthorized use of these tickets including the unauthorized resale or attempted resale of NFR Tickets are grounds for automatic revocation of NFR Season Tickets."
The annual December rodeo, which is held over a ten-day period, is the sport's season-ending championship event, drawing close to 200,000 fans each year.
Officials from Las Vegas Events did not return messages seeking comment, but the move echoes the strict stand against ticket resale that the Wynn established last year when it announced the Garth Brooks residency at the Las Vegas resort.
The resort requires ticket buyers identify the recipients of the tickets who will be attending the Brooks show, and it warned buyers that resold tickets will be revoked. The resort will buy back tickets a customer cannot use, and it will resell them.
The Wynn's decision prompted the NATB to pull its annual trade show and conference from the resort in an act of defiance, though the move has had little impact on the popular singer's residency, which has sold out.
This month, the NATB's counsel, Gary Adler, fired off an angry letter to Las Vegas Events President Dan Christenson condemning the rodeo's new ticketing policy, and asking the event to reconsider the ban. Due to the annual event's popularity and length, it has been solid money maker for some ticket brokers, who now face being shut out.
Adler could not be reached for comment, but the text of his letter is below:
Dear Mr. Christenson:
On behalf of the National Association of Ticket Brokers ("NATB"), a non-profit association devoted to consumer protection in the ticket marketplace, I am writing to express concerns about changes instituted by Las Vegas Events as to the National Finals Rodeo ("NFR") held by the Professional Rodeo Cowboys Association ("PRCA"). The NFR has been a Las Vegas staple since 1985 and has generated a legion of loyal fans, season ticket buyers, and a 25-year stretch of sold out rodeos. The event is certainly a big draw, yet recent attempts by Las Vegas Events seem designed to disadvantage the very fans and the loyal season seat holders that have made it so successful.
Las Vegas Events' new policy to block the transfer of tickets among fans unless a total fee of 25% is paid is misguided. According to Colorado law, which is where the PRCA is located, tickets are considered a bearer instrument or, in other words, an asset of the holder. See C.R.S.A. § 6-1-718. The wordage used in the contract you sent to season holders that the tickets will be revoked if sold through any other resale site is a clear violation of this statute. Indeed, the law was enacted in response to the Denver Broncos' attempt to enforce such a policy.
If a season holder does not sign off on the terms their season seats will be revoked, giving them no choice but to sign. By requiring consumers to use its own secondary market "for profit" exchange as an intermediary, Las Vegas Events is essentially holding ticket owners hostage - repealing their right to do what they please with their purchase. This serves as a major barrier to access and creates unfair competition to other licensed brokers or ticket exchanges. In addition, it is unreasonable to expect ticket holders to sign a new contract containing these terms when there is no running program or new system yet in place.
The measures being introduced to ticket holders essentially change the rules in the middle of the game. For 25 years season holders have been able to use the tickets on the days they would like to attend and then sell the "extra" days in the free market to any individual, business, broker or travel agent. They are now forced to only sell on your secondary market exchange with no other choice. Many of the ticket exchanges that have been set up recently by major sports teams and other live events have worked well for the team or entity, however none of them have forced the holders to use that exchange. Many holders are comfortable selling off their extra tickets to licensed resellers thus bearing no risk if they are unsold. Ticket exchanges are usually a consignment type exchange where the ticket holder will get reimbursed if and only if their specific seats sell. This creates more risk for the seller and requires them to monitor the activity and market value constantly, which many of them do not want to do. NATB does favor competing ticket exchanges, just not one that is forced upon ticket holders as yours does. To be clear, we would not be against Las Vegas Events setting up their own ticket exchange, but it should not be mandatory, and ticket holders should not be threatened to lose their seats if they choose to use a different ticket exchange to sell their tickets.
It is irresponsible to introduce standards that present access problems for dedicated loyal ticket buyers. NATB urges Las Vegas Events to reconsider its stance, take a look at the law that exists in Colorado which is where PCRA is located, and to uphold the highest standards of consumer interest for the NFR and all future events. Please inform me as to whether Las Vegas Events will reconsider its decision and change its policy.
Sincerely,
Gary C. Adler





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Comments represent the opinions of users and do not necessarily reflect the views of TicketNews.ticket brokers in las vegas cannot sell nfr ticket. the nfr wants to sell the tickets and make money thy want to shut out the little brokers office the nfr take no risk what if the fan post the tickets and its dont sell its end up on the streets or eat the tickets the brokers are the risk takers the market gos up the market gos down nobody knows the market the nfr is trying to make money off the resale market putting the fans at risk of the tickets thy already paid for. this is not good for the fans las vegas is mafia nfr is the ticket mafia watch out you will all go down.
Who are you guys kidding? You always pretend like it's the customers you care about because as everyone knows, being able to resell their tickets is every customer's #1 priority. You guys are ticket brokers. This website is run by ticket brokers. The NATB is an organization of ticket brokers. All you care about is buying as many tickets as you can and selling them for more than you paid for them. That's it. The resort said they would buy back any tickets that people can't use. As an actual customer that sounds fine to me as I don't buy tickets with the intention of reselling them and if I can't go then all I expect or want is to get back what I paid.
I don't like what you do but be at least be honest about your motivations.
1) those customers can sell everything else they own for whatever price they can get. Why shouldn't they be free to sell their tickets the same way?
2) Even if you don't like what we do, millions of customers do. They are currently free to choose who to buy from, and we all have to compete for their business. If you hate that, how will you feel if you only can resell your tickets if the promoter or team says it is ok, and only then through their monopoly exchange?
Do you honestly think promoters and teams will ever make all tickets refundable should you and everyone else have a change of plans?
Get a clue, our interests and our customers' interests are one and the same.
No millions of customers don't like what you do. They have to buy tickes from you because you have bought all the tickets. If the majority of customers had their choice they would buy their tickets at face value from the primary seller.
You guys all talk about "The customer's god given right to resell their tickets!" so let me ask you this, would you be in favour of a system where customers could resell their tickets but only for face value?
Didn't think so.
You are in the business of buying as many tickets as you can get your greedy hands on so that customers have no choice but to buy them from you. You are in favour of any law that supports your ability to do so and stop pretending it's because you care about customers.
Brokers do NOT buy up all of the tickets for the NFR. In fact, the vast majority go to individual season tickets holders. Brokers buy the tickets from those folks who do not want to use all of their season tickets. They charge the brokers well over face value, and then of course brokers mark them up more. Everyone has to make a living. Many other NFR tickets go to the hotels/sponsors who use them to attract customers to their hotels. So in a way, the hotels are also using the tickets to make money. Before insulting ticket brokers, you may want to know the facts.
I wasn't really talking about this event but this very article states that season ticket holders can resell their ticket through an authorized channel and that the resort will buy back any unwanted tickets. So sounds like there's no problem for season ticket holders. Sounds like the only group this negatively effects is you. But that's right, this isn't about protecting you, it's all about the consumer. Right?
Yes, the article says that season holders can sell through the official exchange. However, and important part they leave out is that sales on that exchange are in no way guaranteed to happen! Lets say you are a season ticket holder with 2 extra tickets per day for all 10 days of the NFR. Before you could sell all 20 at once to a ticket broker or as a set on eBay and you are done. Now, you have to list them day by day on this new exchange. Some days might sell, some might not. Maybe all will sell, maybe none will sell. The season holder now has all of this risk of trying to sell their tickets and monitoring the exchange to see if they need to drop their prices etc... This season holder maybe has a broker happy to buy them all right now, but per the rules now they are not allowed to do that. They have to list them on the exchange and pray that they all sell at a decent price. The only resort that will buy back unwanted tickest for SURE is the WYNN buying back Garth Brooks tickets. That is a very unusual exception to what is normal. With the NFR, there is no guarantee that anybody will buy your extra tickets. Yes of course this negatively effects brokers like me, I totally admit that. However, it also VERY much negatively effects consumers, who are losing the ability to sell what they own (tickets) to whomever they want to. I'm saying it is bad for everyone except the company trying to create a monopoly; in this case the NFR through Las Vegas Events who would run this new exchange for them. Thanks for reading :)
You don't own tickets. It's not real estate. It's not a car. The ticket grants you the right to attend the event provided you abide by the conditions of the agreement you agreed to when you bought the ticket. If a buy an airline ticket, I can't show up drunk out of my mind, not wearing pants and refuse to show them any id and tell them they can't deny me travel as I own my ticket.
Here's a thought, if you have two extra tickets to every day, maybe you have two too many season tickets?
See this does protect consumers who can never get tickets at face value because so many people buy season tickets and sell them!
Stopping this BS is exactly why that bill was introduced in the house of reps today. If the DOJ is not going to protect fans from greedy promoters, then a new federal law, like the ones in Denver and NY state, is just what the doctor ordered.
Why would anyone spend money to see the rodeo, just legalized Animal Abuse, they need to ban that thing
Good Point, it is nothing more than legalized animal abuse. Just like the circus.
The NFR and it's promoters have for years sent letters with season tickets saying that the tickets cannot be resold, and now they are saying it's OK as long as THEY profit from it?!?! It wasn't really enforced before, but now they seem intent on taking away the tickets of fans who want to sell their extra tickets freely. These guys are going to royally tick off their fans who need to be able to sell of their extra tickets in a free market. Not everyone can attend all 10 days! If you take your extra tickets to the ticket exchange booth during the rodeo, they often wont buy your tickets becasue they get too many and stop buying more. Then the fan gets completely screwed for following the rules forced upon them by the NFR. If the NFR wants to make more money, than raise tickets prices a little bit, duh!
Its really not the PRCA that is greedy, its LVE. Lets think about this, why is the NFR so popular, because its a hard ticket to get. Yes the majority of the tickets are bought by season ticket holders and you cant walk up to the box office and get a ticket. But thats what, in a way makes it great. The show is SOLD OUT. That is good for LVE and the PRCA.
The key, as I see it is getting people in Las Vegas and there are a ton of people in town during the NFR. The economical boost to Las Vegas doesnt happen in the Thomas and Mack for 10 nights it happens all over town. ROOMS, DRINKS, and GAMING. LVE needs to think about what they are doing and not make the cowboys mad. There are other places to have the NFR! Let the tour companies and brokers sell the tickets, it makes sense to me.
Matheson & Terry Introduce Ticket Competition Bill
WASHINGTON- Congressman Lee Terry (R-NE) and Congressman Jim Matheson (D-UT) have introduced legislation to provide open and meaningful competition for consumers. The Ticket Act of 2010 protects consumer access to the most competitive and open segment of the event ticket market, the secondary market for buying and selling tickets.
"Consumers are losing the ability to transfer tickets that they purchased in a legal way," said Congressman Matheson. "The system is being rigged against the individual fan when it comes to the secondary market, and this bill tries to address that problem."
"Too many times the average person is shut out of concerts and sporting events because the limitation of tickets available and the lack of a secondary market to access them," said Congressman Lee Terry. "For one major company to have the monopoly on ticket sales and resale is unfair to the consumer."
Facts about the Ticket Act of 2010:
* This legislation allows access to open and competitive secondary ticket markets.
* Protects ticket purchasers from harmful legal action by ticket issuers that threaten legal action against them.
* Requires ticket sellers, both in the initial primary market and the secondary resale market to offer basic consumer protections which will include full refunds (including fees charged to the purchaser) if the event or ticket is cancelled or if the seat location or similar feature have been materially misrepresented.
* The provisions of this legislation apply to nearly all ticketed events in venues seating more than 1000 persons that affect interstate commerce (with exceptions for free charity events and distribution of game tickets to high school or college students, booster clubs, and the like)
* This legislation covers all methods of ticket distribution, including electronic or virtual ticketing systems.
* The requirements would apply to venue operators, event promoters, sports teams and leagues, and their agents, including all major sources of event tickets in the primary market.
* This legislation does not pre-empt State and local scalping laws and other prerogatives.
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Look out Rodeo, Garth, and Miley. The US Government is about to pee in your Cheerios.